Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ

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Originally by: Drake Draconis

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You guys make me laugh... seriously...

It's utterly hilarious.

"We should fire all of CCP if a single player can resolve this!"

I lol'd

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You are the laugh here. Is not about firing anyone, but about bots. Anyone not supporting this is indirecttly supporting bots and agaisnt-eula advantage, what about CCP enforcing their own rules or making the gamefair for all?

Stop this crapp. Is unfair for dedicated traders, and against-EULA when is a scheme for RMT.

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Originally by: Kal London

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Allusions to idiocy aside, CCP makes it clear that they do not want people having descussions over material such as this. Hence the recent thread disappearing act. That only tells me that they know it exists, and possibly:

A. Don't want news of it to drive away players
B. Don't want loss of revenue
C. Already are doing everything they can

I like to see talking about it nonetheless, it's a nice reminder that the general population is aware or at least familiar with bots and their sweeping effects on the real-time economy EVE provides. The general mass disregard of forums rules is interesting anyways, granted it's important enough imo.

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Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ

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You don't get it, do you?

Bots run certain patterns, auto-update their orders every 5 min 24/7, have been doing for months. There are related alts doing some suspicious trading, controlling certain markets, this has been going for months. What more evidence do you need?

How long have I (and everyone who is legal) to withstand this situation which is hampering my gaming experience? What about fairness? Should I just do the same crapp to compete?

I'm not even sure you should be able to afk-mine, it's a ******ed mechanics, any game activity should be well... active. But that's an other entire issue.

And, after all, what's the problem of asking CCP mroe info about this! Soemntimes you say no, just for the sake of it, amirite?

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Originally by: Naomi Knight

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Edited by: Naomi Knight on 11/06/2009 11:11:28

Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto

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Yes, because why should you actually have to play the game? That's just crazy talk!

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So changing market orders every 5 mins is a fun to do and ppl play this game for this?

Currently bots can undercut you every 5 mins or less if it uses more than one order, and this is only 1 botting char if there are 5 botting chars then this time would be less than 1 mins, until one of them outbids you.Then you have to modify your order every 5 mins to be able to sell your stuff --> realy boring task and not fun at all. If this time is increased to 4 hours or more ,your offer would be the lowest for much longer period and would greatly decrease the modifies needed.



You are a moron or you are currently a bot user yourself.

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Originally by: Naomi Knight

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Originally by: Drake Draconis

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And your a Jackass for assuming that the markets are never like that... case and point... the stock exchange for this damned planet.

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This a game not a stock market simulator , go and take your realism ideas to this topic
Reality Of Weapons.
Also if you like the current market grind go and play a free korean mmo, ive heard they all about grind.

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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very intelligent observations...

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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto

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Originally by: Naomi Knight

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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto

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Yes, because why should you actually have to play the game? That's just crazy talk!

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So changing market orders every 5 mins is a fun to do and ppl play this game for this?

Currently bots can undercut you every 5 mins or less if it uses more than one order, and this is only 1 botting char if there are 5 botting chars then this time would be less than 1 mins, until one of them outbids you.Then you have to modify your order every 5 mins to be able to sell your stuff --> realy boring task and not fun at all. If this time is increased to 4 hours or more ,your offer would be the lowest for much longer period and would greatly decrease the modifies needed.



You are a moron or you are currently a bot user yourself.

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I trade in a whole lot of items, mostly related to invention. Some are more competitive than others - decryptors tend to get bumped every few minutes, unfashionable HACs every few hours - but none are half as bad as you describe. Most of the things that are that competitive(ferrogel, say) tend to fill 20 orders at once when someone actually does sell to a buy order, so it doesn't matter too much if you're on top. If market bots do exist(and yeah, they probably do), they aren't in half the fields I trade in, and they're not easily distinguishable from normal market activity in the other half.

To this day, the fiercest competition I've had was from a guy competing with me to buy salvage - we ID'd each other, opened convo, and both of us watched movies on one monitor and bumped 4 orders on the other, plus occasional a bit of light conversation. Clearly human, and he was harder to buy things through than any Jita order I've ever put up. If Jita is less bad than a single human, I'm going to say that bots really aren't a problem.

Also, consider the effects of what you propose. Make a mistake in your order, either because of lag or because of player error, and your botched order is up for four hours before you can pull it down. Is that really how things ought to work?

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Originally by: kevin kear

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Edited by: kevin kear on 13/06/2009 11:34:52

Originally by: Drake Draconis

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I have a knowledge in Server's and Sysadmins that maintain backend systems.

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Well golly gee..you got IT skills? That'll shut everyone up, good job.

Sorry to break it to you but half of eve player base works in IT/Engineering/Dev.

I support this because I want to hear more quality Drake trolling.

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